Interview with

Founder & Teacher, Desiring God

Audio Transcript

We’re now about a dozen years into the podcast — or eleven and a half years of podcasting, to be more exact. We have talked a lot about work over those years. We have talked about career building and finding our vocational calling, how to glorify God at work, and on the issues of when to leave a job and how to avoid overworking and idolizing a career, and issues of laziness and personal productivity, and how you define all those things — many huge issues now covered, and I tried to write those up into a digest in the Ask Pastor John book on pages 67–94 if you want to see the ground that we’ve covered.

In that section, and in this podcast, we’ve also taken up the question of what vocations are worthy of the Christian and which ones are not worthy of the Christian. A marketer at Nike once emailed in to ask if his job marketing luxury goods to people who don’t need them but want them — was that life vain? You might remember that episode, APJ 1519. That comes to my mind.

We’re back on a similar topic in today’s question from an anonymous man. “Hello, Pastor John! I am a building contractor. And in my region recently I was asked to join up with a construction partner I have worked with before, and one I really like and enjoy working with, to help complete one of their own projects. The project is a Mormon temple. Is this out of the question for a Christian who leads a construction crew to consider working on such a project like a temple like this, or even a mosque or casino or other things like that? How should I think through making this moral decision on behalf of the crew I lead?”

Probably I should start where I’m going to end — namely, by saying that this is the kind of question that has enough layers of ambiguity that I should not be dogmatic but admit that good Christians believing the same Bible may come to different conclusions. There are just so many aspects to take into consideration. But having said that, let me spell out maybe four or five principles or thoughts that I hope will give some guidance to the consciences of God’s people.

Ethics in Light of Eternity

The first thing I feel constrained to say is that believing in the reality of hell the way Jesus does — and he’s more explicit on this in the Bible than anybody — gives a kind of seriousness to most questions, especially questions like this. It just makes things so serious, and I mention this because Christians who keep the reality of hell out of their minds and sometimes are not even sure they believe in it — those folks simply won’t feel the weight that I feel in answering a question like this. Because when I think of a question like this, one of the questions I ask is this: Is this building that I’m working on going to be devoted to beliefs and activities that lead to eternal destruction?

Some people don’t even raise that question in trying to do ethics. I’m asking the eternal question about what becomes of human beings when they participate in what this building is for. A person who doesn’t think about hell just won’t take it that seriously, and therefore the question doesn’t have the same weight that it does for me. That’s the first thing I think I should draw attention to.

Many Works of Darkness

The second thing would be to draw attention to the fact that there are many more applications for the ethical issue at stake here than just building a Mormon religious house. What about building an abortion clinic for Planned Parenthood? What about building a mosque for Muslims? What about building a brothel in a red-light district? What about building a casino in northern Minnesota that you know is going to soak the meager savings of many poor people and continually divert their attention away from a healthy, productive life?

“If you don’t know what the building is for, you are probably not guilty for doing a good job in building it.”

What about building a room in somebody’s attic without taking out a permit, so that they can avoid fees from the city? What about building a meeting space for the central committee of the political party that makes child killing and homosexual behavior a matter of celebration? What about building a bar and a nightclub that includes striptease performances? What about providing fixtures, doors, countertops, lights, tile for any of those structures?

And the list goes on and on. So, this question has a much broader relevance and layers of complexity than one might think.

Incidental and Integral Evil

Another thing to take into account here is the degree to which the structure you’re working on not only will be the place where evil happens, but also the place designed and intended for evil to happen. That’s the purpose of the structure. Evil is not incidental here, but integral. Now, hardly any building anywhere is free from evil, right? I mean, you can’t build anything where evil’s not going to happen. Evil happens everywhere in every structure.

So, the morally relevant question when it comes to participation in the building of structure is whether that’s the intention of the structure; that’s the reason it exists.

Degrees of Responsibility

Here’s another factor to take into account: To what degree does the person involved in building the structure know what is involved in it, know what the intention is? Or to say it differently, given what a person knows — a builder knows, a construction worker knows, a provider knows — how clearly and substantially does his work add to the construction of the structure he disapproves of?

Now, that’s complicated. Let me illustrate. If you work in a factory that makes windows — we have got a big one in Minnesota here — you may have no awareness at all as you do your work in that factory that some of these windows are being sold to a mosque or a casino or an abortion clinic. It’s just not in your mind at all as you go to work every day and make a window. The causal connection between your daily work and the purposes of those structures is so remote that I think it is of little moral significance.

Your part is so remote that there is little moral connection between them. Your part in the window factory is not going to be seen as morally implicated by the evil purposes of the buildings down the economic chain, far out of your sight, than if it were part of what you’re immediately intending to help construct.

How Much Do You Know?

The principle that is most explicit in the Bible, I think, and most helpful in all of this, is in 1 Corinthians 10:27–28, which may not sound like a building text. Listen carefully:

If one of the unbelievers invites you to dinner and you are disposed to go, eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience. But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for the sake of conscience.

In other words, if you don’t know that the food involves you in the support of a pagan ritual, you can eat it. But if you do know that this pagan ritual is what the host intends, you won’t eat it. So, whether you eat or you don’t eat depends on whether you know what the eating signifies about the false religion.

It seems to me that this same principle applies to building something that is devoted to a false, destructive religion or lifestyle. So, if you don’t know what the building is for, you are probably not guilty for doing a good job in building it. You’re just doing the job to the glory of Christ as best you can. But if you know that you are involved in promoting a destructive religion or practice, then your participation may well be wrong. In fact, my inclination would be to encourage the Christian builder and construction worker or provider not to be part of a building that is widely known to be explicitly anti-Christian.

Building Wisely

So, I’m going to end where I began. In general, I want to encourage builders and workers not to contribute to structures devoted to anti-Christian beliefs and practices. But I realize that the complexities of various situations are such that we should be very careful not to pass judgment on a brother’s effort to make a biblically informed, conscientious decision.